Chatni indian restaurant
381 Bloomfield Ave, Montclair
(973) 337-5753
Customers' Favorites
Chicken Pandeer Pasanda with Rich Aromatic and Delicious Curry Sauce
Chicken Tikka Masala and Lamb Saag
Hot Special Appitizers - C Momo
Chatni Veg Special Sampler
Chicken Fried Momo
Vegetable Pakora
Chicken Biryani
Butter Chicken
Chicken Momo
Goat Curry
Drink
Avocado Lassi
Secret of chef menu
Coffee
Fresh Lemon Soda
Freshly squeezed lemon juice and sweet mix, top with club soda
Ice-Tea-Sweet and Unsweet Homemade
Juice Ask Server For Available Taste
Apple, cranberry, mango, orange, pineapple Soda
Lemon soda
Lemon juice with soda
Mango Juice
Mango Lassi
Soothing yogurt drink flavored with fresh mango
Masala Chai (Tea)
Salted Lassi
Soda
Cocke, Dt. Cocke/Pepsi, Dt. Pepsi, Ginger Ale, Sprite, Club Soda
Strawberry Lassi
Secret of chef menu
Sweet lassi
Virgin Colada
Pineapple juice and coconut cream blend with crushed ice
Virgin Mojitto
Freshly squeezed lemon juice and sweet mix muddle with fresh lime we and top with club soda
Dinner Hot Vegetarian Appetizers
Aloo-Tikk-Chatt
Potato patties with chole chaat
Aloo-Tikki
Mashed potato patties dipped in chickpeas batter and deep-fried
Chatni Sabzi Platter
Assortment of vegetable samosa, paneer pakora and vegetable pakora
Chili Momo (Veg.)
Marinated minced vegetables in Nepali spices, stuffed in flour wrap and steamed, served with a special spicy sauce.
Gobi 65
Blanched cauliflower florets coated with a spiced batter and deep fried to give that zest and crunchiness.
Gobi Manchurian
Cauliflower battered with rice flour and deep fried with sweet &hot sauce.
Paneer Pakora
Fresh homemade cheese stuffed with potato and then dipped in chickpeas batter and deep fried.
Papdi Chat
Crispy wafer chips tossed with chickpeas yogurt and tamarind
Samosa Chat
Samosa blended with chickpeas & spices, topped with lip smacking combination of yogurt, mint and tamarind chutney.
Veg Samosa
Triangular-shaped deep-fried turnovers stuffed with delicately spiced potatoes and green peas.
Vegetable Momo
Minced vegetables marinated in Nepali spices, stuffed in a flour wrap, and steamed. Served with a special spicy sauce.
Vegetarian Pakora
Mixed vegetable fritters lightly spiced, battered with chickpeas flour and deep fried.
Dinner Non-Vegetarian Appetizers
Chicken 65
Chicken Choila
Boneless chicken cubes grilled in pan, delicately spiced with onions, cilantro, garlic, ginger and chopped green chillies.
Chicken Chop
Minced chicken mixed with spices, battered with chickpeas flour and deep fried.
Chicken Lollipop
Lollipop-shaped chicken winglets marinated with bread crumbs, corn starch & ginger-garlic paste and deep fried.
Chicken Momo
Minced chicken marinated in Nepali spices, stuffed in flour wrap & steamed. Served with a special spicy sauce Top of Form
Chili Chicken
Batter fried chicken tender, onion and bell peppers with spicy tangy sauce.
Chili Momo (Chicken)
Marinated minced chicken in Nepali spices, stuffed in flour wrap and steamed, served with a special spicy sauce
Kalmi Kabab
Chicken wings marinated in yogurt sauce cooked in clay oven.
Lamb Samosa
Crispy patties stuffed with savory lamb
Non-Veg Special Sampler
Tandoor (mix of chicken, lamb, and fish) roasted sampler with oregano in onion and tomato sauce.
Shrimp Poori
Fresh shrimp flavored with garlic, mustard seeds, and curry leaves
Dinner Cold Appetizers
Chatni Garden Salad
Tear lettuce with nuts and tossed in special house made ranch dressing.
Chicken Chaat
Cubes of boneless chicken spiced and dipped in chick pea batter, deep fried in vegetable oil pe
Cucumber Salad
Cubes of cucumber and tomato tossed with spicy sweet and sour sauce.
Dahi Papdi
Special chips spiced to your taste, served with chickpeas, potatoes, topped with yogurt and tamarind sauce.
Mixed Green Salad
Tear lettuce leaves with cucumber, tomatoes, onions, carrots, cabbage tossed with fresh lemon juice, salt and peppers.
Pani Puri
Fresh fried puffed bread served with hot, sweet and sour sauce.
Soup
Cream of Tomato Soup
Thick soup made from tomatoes, cream, oregano, onion and garlic.
Daal Soup (Lentil Soup)
Lentil soup with vegetables, spices, and a twist of lemon.
Hot & Sour Soup (Veg or Chicken)
Homemade stock infused with soya, sour & spicy herbs and spices.
Mulligatawny Soup
Lentil soup with vegetables and rice touch of cream
Mulligatawny Soup (Chicken)
Lentil soup with chicken and rice touch of cream
Palak Soup
Healthy and delicious spinach soup lightly flavored with herbs and spices
Sweet Corn Soup (Veg or Chicken)
Homemade stock infused with creamed sweet corn and seasonings.
Vegetarian Menu
Aloo Gobi
Potatoes and cauliflower cooked with herbs and spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Aloo Matar
Green peas and potatoes cooked in thick curry sauce
Aloo Palak
Potatoes cooked with chopped spinach in special blend of spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Baigan Bharta
Fire roasted eggplant cooked in light creamy onion and tomato sauce.
Baingan Masala
Small eggplant stuffed with chef-special spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice
Bhindi Kurkuri Dinner
Okra, crispy and cooked with spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice
Bhindi Masala
Fresh okra and cooked with fresh onion, Indian style. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Chana Masala
Potatoes and chickpeas cooked with herbs and Indian spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Chana Saag
Chickpeas spinach and potatoes cooked with herbs and Indian spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Chili Tava Paneer
Sautéed small pieces of homemade cheese with combination of green pepper and onion and soya sauce. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Dal Makhani
Lentils flavored with freshly ground spices and sautéed in butter. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Dal Tarka
Lentil delicacy tossed in butter with onions, tomatoes, ginger, garlic and spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Hyderabadi Mixed Vegetable
Vegetable cooked in yogurt sauce and spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Kadai Paneer
Homemade cheese, cooked in our special Indian style, spiced and sautéed with fresh tomato, onion and green pepper, served in hot pot. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Kaju Butter Masala
Cashew nuts cooked with bell peppers, butter and blend of house spices in onion & tomato sauce.
Lasuni Gobi Garlic Flavored Cauliflower
Mini cauliflower florets tossed with garlic, tomato sauce and green herbs. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Malai Kofta
Vegetable balls, fried and cooked with delicious gravy topped with sour cream. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Matar Paneer
Green peas and homemade cheese cooked in creamy onion and tomato sauce.
Methi Paneer
Cottage cheese and fenugreek leaves cooked with fresh ginger, tomatoes, and homemade spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice
Mushroom Matar
Mushroom and green peas cooked with cream based onion and tomato sauce.
Mutter Methi Malai
A tasty combination of fenugreek leaves and green peas, enriched with cream, cashew nuts and poppy seeds. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Navratan Korma
Fresh vegetables cooked in thick cream sauce. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Paneer Bhurjee
Shredded home made cheese cooked with onion, tomato and cream sauce
Paneer Makhani
Homemade cheese cooked with cream based onion and tomato sauce.
Paneer Tikka
Homemade cottage cheese cooked in makhani sauce with bell peppers and onion sauce. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Panner Tikka Masala
Home-made cheese cubes with onions and tomatoes, cooked in butter with fresh herbs
Saag Mushroom
Spinach and mushroom cooked with mild spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Saag Paneer
Fresh homemade cottage cheese with spinach and fresh spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Shaam Savera
Spinach balls made with paneer and served with a special Chatni makhani sauce. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Shahi Paneer
Korma sauce. Homemade cheese cooked in creamy tomato sauce and cream. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Vegetable Kofta
Soft and creamy home-made cheese & mixed veg dumplings, cooked in mild onion and mixed nuts sauce.
CHICKEN MENU
Butter Chicken
Chicken simmered in a butter and cream-based tomato gravy. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Chicken Curry
Skinless boneless chicken cooked in our mildly spiced curry sauce. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Chicken Dopyaza
Chicken dish prepared with two lots of onions: one that makes up a thick gravy and the other is added raw and then cooked in onion & tomato sauce with traditional Indian spices.
Chicken Jalfrezi
Chicken marinated with vegetables cooked with freshly grounded spices and sautéed with onions, tomatoes and green peppers. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Chicken Karahi
Chicken sautéed with onions, fresh tomato, green peppers spiced and cooked in a special Indian style, served in hot pot. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Chicken Korma
Boneless chicken cooked in mild rich sauce, cashews and cream. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Chicken Madras
Chicken cooked in light coconut milk with curry leaves & mustard seeds in onion and tomato sauce. Accompanied by basmati rice
Chicken Makhani
Boneless chicken cubes cooked in rich creamy tomato & onion sauce with butter and bell pepper.
Chicken Malabar
A rich gravy-based Chicken Curry dish with aromatic spices, onions, tomatoes and curry leaves. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Chicken Paneer Pasanda
Chicken breast cubes and stuffed fried paneer cooked in onion and white sauce Accompanied by rice.
Chicken Pathia
Mild spiced chicken cooked in mango, tomatoes, touch of sugar, lemon juice and herb spices. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Chicken Saagwala
Boneless chicken cooked with chopped spinach, Indian spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Chicken Shahenshah
Boneless chicken pieces marinated in a spice and yogurt mixture and cooked in a rich cashew nut gravy on a slow fire. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Chicken Tikka Masala
Tender skinless and boneless chicken marinated in a blend of ginger, garlic, yogurt and various spices, baked in the tandoor and sautéed with tomatoes, butter and cream. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Chicken Vindaloo
Very hot and spiced chicken cooked with potatoes and a touch of vinegar. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Kadai Chicken
Chicken sautéed with onions, fresh tomato, green peppers spiced and cooked in a special Indian style, served in hot pot. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Kashmiri Kebab Masala
Boneless chicken marinated in hot spices, grilled in tandoor and finished in flavorful tomato based sauce. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Kashmiri Kebab Vindaloo
Chicken tender marinated in hot spices cooked with potatoes and a touch of vinegar
Lasuni Chicken Garlic Flavored Chicken
Boneless chicken breast marinated in yogurt and garlic tomato sauce and green herbs. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Mango chicken
chicken cooked in mango flavored gravy. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Lamb Menu
Boti Kebab Masala
Lamb marinated in a blend of ginger, garlic, yogurt and various spices, baked in the tandoor and sautéed with tomatoes, butter and cream. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Boti Saagwala
Mild tender lamb cooked in a creamy almond cashew sauce. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice
Boti Tikka Masala
Lamb marinated in a blend of ginger, garlic, yogurt, and various spices, baked in the Tandoor, and sauteed with tomatoes, butter, and cream.
Goat Curry
traditional Indian curry cooked in savory tomato and onion sauce with blend of Indian spices.
Goat Vindaloo
Goat spiced Cooked with potatoes and touch of vinegar.
Keema Matar
Minced meat and green peas cooked with fresh herbs. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Lamb Bhuna
Lamb cubes cooked with fresh tomato, onions, green peppers and special Indian spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Lamb Curry
Tender cubes of lamb cooked in our mildly spiced sauce.
Lamb Jalfrezie
Lamb marinated with vegetables cooked with fresh ground spices and sauteed with onions and tomatoes.
Lamb Karahiwala
Lamb cooked with bell peppers, onions in tomato sauce
Lamb Korma
Mild tender lamb cooked in a creamy almond cashew sauce. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice
Lamb Madras
South Indian style lamb curry with coconut and red chilly. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice
Lamb Paneer Pasanda
Lamb with stuffed, paneer cooked in onion and white sauce.
Lamb Pasanda
Lamb cubes cooked with cream sauce, herbs, spices and topped with cashew nuts. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Lamb Saag
Tender cubes of lamb cooked with spinach and Indian spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Lamb Vindaloo
Very hot and spiced lamb cooked with potatoes and a touch of vinegar. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Rogan Josh
Lamb cubes cooked with tomatoes in freshly ground spices and yogurt sauce. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
FROM THE SEA FOOD MENU
Fish Curry
A chunk of salmon cooked in onion-based curry with Indian spices. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Fish Korma
Tandoori roasted fish cubes cooked in rich creamy onion sauce and topped with cashews and raisins.
Fish Tandoori Masala
Marinated grilled Salmon with ginger, garlic, lemon with touch of Indian spices cooked in creamy tomato sauce.
Fish Tikka Masala
Fresh selected pieces of salmon cooked in creamy tomato sauce with onion and green pepper.Accompanied by basmati rice.
Goa Fish Curry
Shrimp cooked in thick sauce with onions, tomatoes, and bell peppers. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Goa Shrimp Curry
Traditional shrimp curry. Curry from the coast of Goa. Cooked with mustard seed, curry leaves, and turmeric in yogurt sauce. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Prawn Madras
South Indian style shrimp curry with coconut and red chilly. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Prawn Saagwala
Shrimp cooked with spinach in special spices. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Shrimp Bengal
Tiger shrimp marinated in spices, grilled in tandoor with herbs, cream and yogurt finished in a flavorful tomato-based sauce. Accompanied by basmati rice
Shrimp Bengal
Shrimp cooked in thick sauce with onions, tomatoes, and bell peppers. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Shrimp Curry
Shrimp cooked with onions and fresh tomatoes. Accompanied by basmati rice
Shrimp Jalfrezi
Shrimp marinated with freshly ground spices and sautéed with onion, tomatoes, and green peppers. Accompanied by basmati rice
Shrimp Kadai
Shrimp cooked in thick sauce with onions, tomatoes, and bell peppers. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Shrimp Korma
Shrimp cooked in a creamy almond cashew sauce. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Shrimp Madras
Fresh selected pieces of salmon cooked in creamy tomato sauce with onion and green pepper.Accompanied by basmati rice.
Shrimp Masala
Shrimp cooked in a creamy cashew sauce. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Shrimp Saag
Fresh selected pieces of salmon cooked in creamy tomato sauce with onion and green pepper.Accompanied by basmati rice.
Shrimp Tandoori Masala
Shrimp marinated with freshly ground spices and sautéed with onions and tomatoes. Accompanied by basmati rice.
Shrimp Vindaloo
Shrimp cooked with pieces of potatoes and fresh tomato, a touch of vinegar in very hot spicy curry. Accompanied by basmati rice.
DINNER CHEF SPECIAL (THALI)
Non-Vegeterian Thali Dinner
Choice of soup (lentil or chicken coconut), lamb samosa, piece of chicken tandoori, Chicken tikka masala, lamb curry, saag paneer, chana masala, dal, raita, choice of bread (poori or naan), dessert (gulab jaman). Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Vegeterian Thali Dinner
Choice of soup (lentil or chicken or coconut), vegetable samosa, navratan korma, saag paneer, chana masala, dal makhni, baingan bharta, raita, choice of bread (poori or naan), dessert (gulab jamun) Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Chatni Kitchen Biryani
Chatni Goat Biryani
Mixed goat marinated with aromatic spices and delightly cooked with basmati rice
Chicken Biryani
Boneless chicken cubes cooked with basmati rice and spices in light onion and tomato sauce
Egg Biryani
Mixed egg marinated with aromatic spices and delightly cooked with basmati rice .
Fish Biryani
Fish cubes cooked with basmati rice and spices in light onion and tomato sauce.
Jeera Rice
Basmati rice cooked with chicken, lamb, shrimp flavored with herbs and spices.
Lamb Biryani
lamb cubes cooked with basmati rice in light onion and tomato sauce.
Peas Pulao
Shrimp Biryani
Shrimp cubes cooked with basmati rice and spices in light onion and tomato sauce.
special Biryani
Basmati rice cooked with chicken, lamb, shrimp flavored with herbs and spices.
Tofu Biryani
Mix vegetable cooked with basmati rice and spices in light onion and tomato sauce
Vegetable Biryani
Mix vegetable cooked with basmati rice and spices in light onion and tomato sauce.
INDO- ASIAN MAIN COURSE MENU
Chatni Special Fried Rice (NonVeg)
Basmati rice fried with seasonal vegetables or chicken/lamb/seafood and blended with spices
Chatni Special Fried Rice (Veg)
Basmati rice fried with seasonal vegetables blended with spices.
Chatni Special Noodle (Veg)
Pan-fried noodles prepared with mixed vegetables blended with spices.
ChatniSpecial Noodle (Non-Veg)
Pan fried noodle prepared with mixed vegetable or chicken/lamb/seafood and blended with spices.
Chicken Chilli
Chicken with onion, tomatoes, green pepper, and green chilli in soya sauce, sauce, and Indian spices
Chicken Thukpa
Ethnic Nepali soupy noodle dish prepared with mixed vegetables , chicken and blended with traditional Nepali spices
Chilli Paneer
Home-made cheese with onion, tomatoes, green pepper, green chilli in soya sauce, ketchup and spices
Shrimp Noodle
Steamed noodles fried with shrimp and seasonal vegetables.
Veg Manchurian
A thick sauce with chopped onion, peppers, chili, ketchup, and vinegar
Veg Thukpa
Ethnic Nepali soupy noodle dish prepared with mixed vegetables blended with traditional Nepali spices.
From Grill (Tandoori Specials)
Boti Tikka Kabab
Lamb cubes marinated, delicately spiced, baked in clay oven and served on sizzler with onion, bell peppers and lemon.
Chatni Mix Grill Tandoor (Non-Veg)
Mixed Tandoor (Fish, Shring, Lamb and Chicken) grill baked in day oven and served on sizzler with onion, bell peppers and lemon
Chicken Haryali Kabab
Chicken breast cubes marinated in mint cilantro paste, delicately spiced baked in day oven and served on sizzler with onion, bell peppers and lemon
Chicken Malai Kebab
Tender chicken marinated with yogurt, peppers, ginger and saffron. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Chicken Tandoori
Spring chicken marinated in yogurt and specially blended spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Chicken Tikka Kabab
Boneless chicken pieces marinated in yogurt and specially blended spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice
Diwani Kebab
Chicken, fresh garlic, ginger and special spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Fish Tandoori
Marinated salmon fish-ginger, garlic, lemon and touch of Indian spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
Jumbo Prawn Tandoori
Jumbo shrimps marinated, delicately spiced baked to perfection in clay oven and served on Sizzler with onion, bell peppers and lemon
Kashmiri Kebab
Spicy. Chicken marinated in special spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice. Extra hot.
Lamb Seekh Kabab
Ground lamb marinated, delicately spiced baked in clay oven and served on sizzler with onion bell peppers and lemon
Malai Tikka Kabab
Boneless chicken pieces marinated in yogurt and specially blended spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice
Paneer Tikka
Chunks of homemade cheese marinated in spices, grilled in tandoor and served on sizzler with onion, bell peppers and lemon
Reshmi Kabab
White meat chicken marinated with white marination
Reshmi Kabab
White meat chicken marinated with white marination
Tandoori Alu
Potato marinated, delicately spiced, baked in clayoven and served on sizzler with onion, bell peppers and lemon
Tandoori Mushroom
Mushroom marinated, delicately spiced, baked in clay oven and served on sizzler with onion, bell peppers and lemon
Vegetarian Tandoori
Homemade cheese cauliflower, green pepper and onion marinated specially blended spices. Accompanied by saffron basmati rice.
CHATNI BREADS MENU
Alu Paratha
Layered bread stuffed with potatoes and peas.
Chatni Bread Basket (Naan, onion kulcha & Garlic Naan)
onion kulcha , naan and garlice naan
Cheese Garlic Naan
Cheese Naan
Bread stuffed with cheese.
Chilli Garlic Naan
Garlic Naan
Clay oven bread topped with fresh garlic and cilantro
Kabuli Naan (Sweet)
Keema Naan
Clay oven bread stuffed with minced lamb flavored with herbs and spices.
Lachha Paratha
Onion Kulcha
Bread stuffed with onions.
Paneer Naan
Bread stuffed with cottage Indian paneer.
Plain Naan
Unleavened handmade bread baked in clay oven.
Poori
Unleavened deep fried puffed bread.
Pudina Naan
Buttered and layered bread with dried mint.
Tandoori Roti
Tawa Paratha/Roti
KIDS MENU
Chicken Chop
Minced chicken mixed with spices, battered with chickpeas flour and deepfried
Chicken Lollipop
Lollipop shaped chicken winglets marinated with bread crumbs, cornstarch & ginger-garlic paste and deep fried.
Chicken Nugget
French Fries
Deep fried thin potato strips
Onion Rings
Thick cut onion rings deliciously battered with subtle blend of spices.
SIDES ORDER
Jeera Rice
Mango Chutney
Mint Chutney
Mix Pickle
Mix vegetable cooked with basmati rice and spices in light onion and tomato sauce
Onion Chutney
Papadam (3)
Raita
Tamarind
DESSERTS MENU
Gulab Jamun
Delicious dessert made of thickened milk soaked in rose flavored sugar syrup.
Ice-Cream
(Mango, Vanilla, Malai Kulfi)
Kheer
Sweet rice pudding flavored with cardamom and blended with raisins.
Rash Malai
Delicious patties of curdled milk submerged in light creamy sauce and flavored with cardamom.
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Recent Reviews
This is one of our regular stops in Montclair. Attentive service, delicious food, comfortable ambiance.
Very fair prices, especially the lunch specials
Kid-friendliness: High chairs and welcoming
Wheelchair accessibility: Ground level, no stairs
Very fair prices, especially the lunch specials
Kid-friendliness: High chairs and welcoming
Wheelchair accessibility: Ground level, no stairs
October 2024
This is my go to restaurant, and it’s such an incredible experience to be there . The food is absolutely delicious, and the service is top-notch. The friendly workers made me feel right at home, and the lovely environment truly transported me back to my home country.
July 2024
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There are two menus here, and if you arrive while lunch specials, your server will automatically bring you the menu with the specials. I overheard a nearby table asking for 'the other menus', and based on their conversation, it seemed...